How a Wedding Photographer with ADHD Manages Productivity with Lauryn Reifinger

Jen: I’m so excited to talk to you. When I was meeting you in the context of you being my photographer, I didn’t get to interrogate you, which I missed opportunity, so… How do you normally answer the question, what do you do?

Lauryn: I say that I’m a wedding photographer.

Jen: That’s pretty straightforward. Yeah. Except, looking at all of your many myriad of to-do lists, clearly that doesn’t entirely capture the huge picture. From these lists and from my knowledge of being a freelancer, I’m guessing that your time is distributed between like admin slash marketing, actually doing photography, and then editing. Is that, would you say those are the three main piles?

Lauryn: Editing is the beast. Editing takes me forever.

Jen: So you have a very specific style, which is why I reached out and love your photographs. But I can imagine that means it takes a lot of extra time. Your style is, would you describe it as moody?

Lauryn: Oh 100%. Moody. I love like my very dark vibes but yet it’s still colorful and I just…

Jen: Yeah.

Lauryn: All about those types of, what’s the word I’m looking for, just like darker and…

Jen: Saturated.

Lauryn: Yeah because it’s funny because not many people think oh that’s what I want for my wedding but then like my people get it.

Jen: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people, they probably don’t know what exactly, they just see a photograph and then they’re like, whoa, this gives me a different feeling than other photographs. And that’s all they need to really know.

Lauryn: That is what I’m told which is like such a compliment so that’s awesome.

Jen: This is like a Valentine’s themed month, February, or like romance themed. Do you have any thoughts of like your job kind of, your job exists because of love or like do you think on the love of it all often?

Lauryn: Oh. I cannot tell you how many times I’m like, oh my God, they are so in love. It’s so sweet. And then I go home and I like look at my husband and I like, it helps me be kinder to my husband. I’m like, Aw, my God. I guess I love you too. But it is just constantly witnessing like the vows. It’s just like such a beautiful moment to watch between two people. I’m always like, number one, I feel lucky that I get to be there for it ’cause a lot of times people are doing private vows, but it’s just the like deepest sentiment of their heart and it’s so sweet and then it leaves you, like, I leave every wedding on cloud nine. Like it does something to my brain. It’s just, it makes me happy. It makes me so happy to see other people so happy. And the love is definitely just like transcending through me. It’s a wonderful, wonderful profession to have, get to watch love.

Jen: That is such a beautiful answer.

Lauryn: Aw, thanks.

Jen: I don’t know where to start. I have so many, I guess. Okay.

Lauryn: I was like I don’t know what to, I have, I, this is my brain, I got…

Jen: No, I love it.

Lauryn: Diagnosed with ADHD like a little over a year ago and I’m like yeah that tracks. So it’s just like chaos but it’s like organized chaos if that makes sense.

Jen: Yeah, absolutely. Well, one of the big things I did when, before I launched this podcast, I did a lot of research to make a lead magnet of an ebook and a quiz to find out what is your to-do list archetype. And I wrote like a hundred page ebook all about the different archetypes. But I really learned a lot. And, your, well, maybe I won’t spoil it. And you have to go take the quiz. It only takes like five minutes. But you’re very clearly a specific to-do list archetype from what I can see.

Lauryn: I will.

Jen: Um. I definitely wanna comment that I love one of your to-do list methodologies is alarms and that you set alarms never on a 15 minute increment. Same for me. I’m like, it’s like a pet peeve, 15 minute increments and everybody makes so much fun of me and I’m like, no, you’re the crazy one. So I feel very happy and validated to have a random number sister.

Lauryn: I, it needs to be an odd number. It cannot be a five. It cannot be, well obviously a zero wouldn’t be a five, I mean wouldn’t be an odd number, but yeah, I, that is how my brain works. And if it doesn’t get put, if I don’t set an alarm for it, it’s not going to happen. My daughter no longer asks me if I can do something. She’s like, Hey mom, can you set an alarm to remember to bring my kickball after school? Like yeah we’ll see how it works if I remember it or not.

Jen: That’s awesome. I love that. Okay. Something I’ve always really been curious about with wedding photographers. Obviously there’s like so much emotions of the couple on the day and how do you create space when there’s all of this admin and logistics and timing and blah, blah, blah, to make sure that that moment that you like, especially when you’re going off and doing the more like artsy pictures together, that that is a time that feels spacious and full of love and romance and connection. Like how, how the hell do you do that?

Lauryn: All right so I am, as you are aware because you’ve been through the process, I am incredibly detail oriented and I will have a call with all of my couples prior to the wedding and I will make a list, I’ll make a timeline and I will have like all the nitty gritty details sorted so that it’s not a question of like the day of like, Hey where do you wanna do this first look? Where do you wanna do your family portraits? That is all predetermined. Sometimes you know we have to shift based on the lighting and that’s totally fine. Um but then that I find, I will literally have a printed out list with me and I will have a pen and I’ll be marking off every shot as I get it. And that helps me like, okay now the next 45 minutes of the day I am free to like just be creative and honestly I love my job. Like I get to hang out with people on the best day of their lives. They’re in the best mood ever and everybody’s just like having a good time. It’s really really easy for me to kind of like behind the scenes keep us on task, keep the timeline flowing, but like still outwardly like having fun, letting them have fun because essentially that’s what you want. You don’t want them feeling like stressed like oh my God we’re 10 minutes behind schedule. Like I keep that all on the end and on the dl and I’m like we are good. Like we’re having a great time. And just keeping them comfortable is like basically my main goal.

Jen: So if you can sense, let’s say a bride is getting very stressed and in her head and like not being present, do you have any tricks to kind of like bring her back to the moment?

Lauryn: Yes. Yep. So um oftentimes prior to the ceremony they kind of get in their own heads about like oh my God like everybody’s gonna be looking at me. I’m just like, Hey I tell this to everybody and I mean it. And from experience that happened with me, I was also nervous, walk down that aisle and once you get up there everyone disappears. It’s just the two of you because the two of you are truly all that matters. So I’m able to like kind of pick up on cues when I you know can sense that they’re like super nervous. Sometimes they straight up just say like I’m feeling really nervous. I’m like it’s gonna be okay. We’re here. It’s happening. We’re good. You’re getting married today. Like that’s all that matters. So um I try to like have that calming presence and reassure my couples even if something goes wrong you are getting married. We’re all good. It’ll be great and that’s just kind of how I approach life. I’m always just like very very go with the flow. So it’s like whatever comes our way we’ll deal with it. We got this.

Jen: That’s awesome. Yeah, that seems like a prerequisite personality requirement for being involved in the wedding industry. Like to just be able to let things roll off your back and go with the flow.

Lauryn: 100%. I’m like oh we’re totally changing the schedule completely. We’ll flip it around. I’ll go do the guys, get their shots, come back to you. One of my brides, I loved her. She hated her bouquet and so she’s like, I’m gonna need a minute here because I’m gonna redo my bouquet. And she literally grabbed scissors to it and fixed it and it looked gorgeous. And I was like okay I’ll be back.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: You gotta be flexible. So as much as like I have my list, I can still be flexible with like when we’re getting the shots but I’ll still be making sure I’m crossing them off.

Jen: So obviously when you actually have a shoot day that takes top priority, but then in the rest of your life, how are you generally prioritizing between admin, marketing, meetings, editing, et cetera, and like what’s the first thing that you deprioritize when stuff gets crazy?

Lauryn: I deprioritize my marketing which probably isn’t the best but like to me I’m like that can get pushed. Like I have things I have to deal with in like right now. So I would say as far as priority I have like my inquiries and incoming you know questions and people that I’m planning with like their upcoming weddings, they take top priority just because obviously I wanna keep booking more and this is how I make my living. So calls, scheduling calls with them, they always kind of are at the forefront. And then once they do decide they wanna book me, that process of getting out their contract, their questionnaire, their invoice, all that stuff. So I send that along and then once I kind of, I would call that my housekeeping. So once I kind of wrap up my housekeeping then my focus is on editing. So like I said earlier, the process is super slow and I have tried my hardest to be faster but I am too anal. Like I just, the little details I’m like Nope I gotta go in and fix this. It’s gonna bother me. And I edit my gallery like two to three times. It is ridiculous. But I go through and I do my initial edit and then I go through and make sure it all looks cohesive. And I’m like Hmm. Like, and I’ll fix little things here and there and then I upload it and sometimes I end up going and literally redoing some of them after I’ve already uploaded and then re-uploading. So it is chaos but it’s how I am, it’s how I give the client my brand. It’s my dark moody atmospheric type of photo. And that’s just how I get there.

Jen: Is it satisfying? Like does it feel like putting together a jigsaw puzzle for you?

Lauryn: When I finally like for the umpteenth time scroll through my gallery and feel confident and I’m like alright I’m gonna finally send it, yes it is incredibly satisfying.

Jen: Nice. Do you do anything to keep yourself entertained while you’re in that editing process? Like listen to music or a podcast or are you like so zoned in?

Lauryn: No no no. I read over 50, maybe over 60 audiobooks in the past year.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: So I am deep in that audio book world. I used to be a podcast girly but like I’m like, I’m gonna switch it up a little bit and I love Libby, the library app.

Jen: Yes.

Lauryn: Okay. So Libby you get all your free audio books and that is my jam. So I just kind of like zone out, I get into the zone and I’m editing and I’m listening to my audio. Sometimes I have to rewind because I got a little too into my editing, I’m like wait what’s happening. But yeah I definitely need something on.

Jen: What’s your genre? Are you ever listening to like wedding rom-coms while you’re doing it to like really get in vibes or are you listening to like true crime?

Lauryn: I am the dark. The dark moody is just like a perfect representation of my soul. I’m listening to thrillers, it’s horror like Stephen King like all of that.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: So I am very big into like the mystery thriller. Like I said horror. Every now and again I’ll listen to like a romcom and I’m like hmm I can’t do it. It’s just not for me.

Jen: Not enough murder in this romcom. Come on.

Lauryn: I know. And then I’m like editing, it’s such a stark contrast because I’m like listening, I’m like I wonder who killed that person. And then I’m like so cute I loved this day.

Jen: Yeah, but that, I mean, yeah, that’s the juxtaposition that makes your thing so epic.

Lauryn: Oh well thank you.

Jen: So I like that you have one of your to-do list categories is slow season shit. When you’re like in the midst of high season, are you already mentally making that list or physically writing that list of like, I’ll get to this in four months type thing?

Lauryn: It’s like something like oh I should do that. And I’m like that’s slow season. So I will literally just add it to that list. And as you can see I have not tackled much on it so basically that’s once I finish all of my galleries and everything has been sent out and I have like even a smidgen of time before my next shoot. Then that’s what I’m tackling.

Jen: All right. Well let’s go through the slow season shit list. You have SEO website stuff. That one’s checked off.

Lauryn: Did it. All my photos are tagged.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: Yes. Thank you.

Jen: Very impressive. And then you have update site. Is that like everything, or is that past shoots you’ve done?

Lauryn: I did like a full revamp so I…

Jen: Oh, nice.

Lauryn: Wasn’t digging my site anymore. So yeah so it is updated. Unfortunately the platform that I use is called Pixie. It was just like I had this whole site designed and then it was like I was about to publish it and it was like oh by the way this restarts your SEO. And by the grace of some higher power, I know, and by the grace of some higher power my, on my form it says how did you find me and my most selected of how they find me is Google. So I didn’t wanna mess with that. So I just worked with the limitations of like my old template. But I’m actually quite happy with it. I think it came out really nice.

Jen: Nice. Congratulations. Happy to hear that.

Lauryn: Thanks.

Jen: Next you have blog. What goes on the blog?

Lauryn: So I have to blog like all of my weddings. So what I do is I shoot the weddings, I edit them, I send them off, right off to the next wedding or next engagement session whatever it might be. And I don’t take a breath to post about it on my website. So within my site I have blogs and it kind of shows the most recent weddings. And I think that that is what drives a lot of my SEO which gets me these inquiries. So I should be prioritizing it but I’m just like yeah I’ll do that later. So just kind of putting it all out there so people can see the newest and greatest.

Jen: I mean, yeah, you do have a pretty big backlog, so it’s a lot to look at. And you have email vendors gallery.

Lauryn: Okay so that’s another thing. In order for me to like get my name out there a lot of times I call them my friends. Like if I’m at a wedding and I love the flowers, I always get like a list of the names of the vendors from my couple and I’ll just kind of shoot them like, Hey I shot this wedding that you did the florals for. They looked gorgeous. Here are my photos, feel free to post and tag me. So it’s just kind of like a little freebie for all the people that I love working with and then hopefully through them more people will see my work.

Jen: Nice. That’s awesome. Then you have make reels slash schedule. I’m sure you’re doing some of that in high season as well.

Lauryn: Barely. Oh my gosh it’s been terrible. But yes, I have been told by my brides that I need to include more of myself on my Instagram and I’m terrible at it. There’s a reason I’m behind the camera. So I’m just like I’ll start doing it and then I’ll be like good for a little bit and then it’ll just completely drop off. So like right now I think the last time I even posted a reel was like two weeks ago maybe. Like I’m really bad at it but I need to be better at it because that could potentially be another way of people finding me.

Jen: You have take headshot. Is that of yourself?

Lauryn: Yeah. Yes that’s right in line with what I was just saying. Yeah to just actually do it because the one that I use the most is like probably three or four years old and I’m like oh I am a photographer I should probably take some headshots of myself.

Jen: Are you gonna be the one taking them?

Lauryn: Yeah I usually do. Either that or a photographer friend will do a little like swap, you know, business.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: Mm-hmm.

Jen: All right. Then you have add social media section to contract.

Lauryn: I did that. That’s just so clients tag my photos and they don’t tag me, I’m like dang it that’s a missed opportunity. It was just that. Thank you, please tag me. Please don’t use a filter. That’s it.

Jen: Yeah. Don’t use filters. How dare you use filters.

Lauryn: I know. After all my many many edits.

Jen: Yeah. That’s, that’s crazy. That’s so rude. Come on people.

Lauryn: I know. Like I really put a lot of time into that. Please don’t cover it up with like some magenta thing.

Jen: Yeah. My goodness. All right, then you have call Fidelity.

Lauryn: Oh yeah that’s just, this isn’t even business related, it’s just I have to remember to actually, ’cause I have like a 401k from an old job that I have to remember to get put into my proper savings. That’s boring.

Jen: Nice. And then I like you have taxes in all capital letters, exclamation point and sad face emoji.

Lauryn: Taxes are the bane of my existence. I hate taxes. I do not know why my entire family’s taxes, which is just like my nuclear family like me and my husband, but like they fall on me and it stresses me out. I have a CPA thank God and I love them and they just kind of do it but like gathering all the info and like going back, it’s chaotic for me.

Jen: Honestly, my whole adult life, I’ve been going between normal job and freelancing slash entrepreneurship, and the main thing that brings me back to a normal job is like, I just need a year to not deal with the fucking taxes. Like, to just click a few buttons and have it be easy. I can’t, I can’t, like, so I get it.

Lauryn: You forgot to pay your quarterly sales taxes. And I’m like wait I paid them. And then I was like oh no I paid the quarterly, I have like four quarterly tax payments that I have to make and I completely forgot the sales tax. I was like oops sorry about that IRS here you go. But it’s just frustrating. I mean I always, I’m very like every time that I get paid I put money aside and I have like a tax fund. So it’s never an issue like the money’s there but it’s just complicated and it confuses me. The whole thing confuses me.

Jen: Yeah. Yeah. It seems so insane that like it is generally creatives who have the most awful evil taxes, and it’s like, this is the opposite of what our brains were built for. Come on, like.

Lauryn: I didn’t know, I just, I literally my husband and I got a notification that was like oh you owe some absurd amount for a net profit tax to the city of Philadelphia from 2018 that’s been accumulating penalties. And I’m like wait I didn’t even know. Like I didn’t, that was before I had my CPA and I did, I paid for the peace of mind whatever. So I’m like oh I’m good.

Jen: Nope.

Lauryn: So we’ll see. To be determined. We have a court date coming up. That’s fun.

Jen: Oh my God. That’s…

Lauryn: But you’re right. It’s like the creative mind isn’t meant, like we just can’t, I at least I can’t. I cannot figure it out.

Jen: Yeah. No, I feel you. I, yeah.

Lauryn: Math is not my jam.

Jen: Yep, yep. So I understand the sad face.

Lauryn: It’s always sad.

Jen: All right, next you have make welcome guide.

Lauryn: Oh yeah that’s just something that I thought would be helpful because I have on my website like a tips and tricks page where it’s like if my couples want they can go on. And I have like little just like the florals should arrive, don’t go last for your hair and makeup because I only need you for the first look. And like just like little things that ’cause I’ve been doing this so long like I’ve learned and I wanna create like a little welcome guide that sends like all that info straight to them instead of like having them have to seek it out.

Jen: Very reasonable.

Lauryn: Trying to.

Jen: Next, you have make preferred vendor list on site. Is that for your friends?

Lauryn: Yes my friends. Yes my, because I get the same question all the time. It’s like do you have videographers that you like to work with? Do you know like a really great florist in the area? So I just wanna be able to make it easy on myself, be like here’s my preferred vendor list. Everything’s right there for you. It’s all the people I get along well with and like do beautiful work. So I just have like this little group of people that I love to work with.

Jen: Aw, that’s lovely. Alright. Next I’ll move to your post-its that are live on your computer, your desktop.

Lauryn: Oh.

Jen: Okay. You have cancel Audible again with an exclamation point. And is that because you’re all about Libby, don’t need to be spending?

Lauryn: Mm-hmm.

Jen: All right, nice. And then you have send Jen lists. What’s that?

Lauryn: Because I kept, I literally kept being like oh my God I keep forgetting I have to send her the list. And then I wasn’t remembering. So that went up there and I did it the next day. My post-its are effective.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: Some are effective.

Jen: So Post-its and alarms, those are the ones where it’s like you’re really applying the urgency.

Lauryn: Yeah. Yeah. So ’cause it’s right there. If it is something that I simply cannot forget, there will be an alarm set and I will literally put the post-it on my keyboard. So there’s like no way like I have to address it.

Jen: Nice. That’s very clever. Then you have a post-it of different stuff to send to vendors. So just like various…

Lauryn: Yeah that’s just same as like the slow season stuff.

Jen: Nice.

Lauryn: Kind of boring.

Jen: You sent me a whole separate to-do list of a wedding timeline and I would love for you to just kind of walk me through that ’cause that’s really interesting of like how a wedding photographer actually manages the day.

Lauryn: Sure. Okay so here we go. I always like to start with the ladies getting ready just because we take a lot longer than the guys. So I like to start with the ladies and I’m a big fan of like the candid so I’ll get all the candid shots and then in the morning is also when I’ll do their detail shots. So I know that you were a little bit different because you had your amazing elopement. You already looked gorgeous when I met you that day. But it’ll be like those flat lays of the shoes, the dress, the invites, the flowers, the jewelry, the rings, all that good stuff so I’ll get those shots, get her getting her hair and makeup done, hanging out with her bridesmaids and then getting her dressed and the final touches. So like mom zipping the dress. And then I always like to get like a few moody solo shots of them like in a window or something like where I can find dramatic lighting. And then I go and do the same thing for the groom. Get all his details. So the way that I work it is when I’m creating a timeline I start with the ceremony. And then I back it up. That’s just the way my brain processes it. So I’m like all right here’s the ceremony time. This is like the we gotta go. So after that I’ll have okay a half hour before that we’re ending photos, half hour before that. So I kind of backtrack. Half hour before that we’ll do the family photos. Half hour before that we’ll do the wedding party photos. Half hour before that we’ll do the couple photos.

Jen: A big one.

Lauryn: Which I personally feel are the most important of the day, the shots of just the two of you and then those morning shots that I kind of was just saying. So I really like kind of like backtrack that way and then I go from the ceremony down and try to make sure that wherever my coverage ends that I’m getting enough of the reception. Like I’m not missing any big moments, the cake cutting or parent dances. And DJs are really wonderful ’cause they truly are like the timekeeper of the reception. So they’ll oftentimes work with me if the schedule gets pushed back a bit and I’m like oh no I’m outta here in a half hour. They’re like all right let’s do mother son dance now. And so that’s, vendors, they’re great.

Jen: Having worked in the same area for a long time, I see the wedding you sent me is at Terrain. I’m assuming that’s a venue that you have repeat instances of. Does that, what’s the difference in how you’re thinking about shots when it’s somewhere you’ve been to before versus a whole new location?

Lauryn: That is a great question and I’m glad you asked that because people are seeking somebody who has shot at that venue before. I personally feel like, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel like it’s almost better for photographers when they’re there for the first time because like some of the locations that I’ve been to a million times, the shots are so redundant. I’m like I’ve had them on this staircase in this pose. Because I have like certain poses that I love. I’m like I’ve had them do this so many times. I’m not even like, I’m gonna bypass it and do something different when maybe they wanted that like very significant staircase shot. I mean if they specified they want it I would of course take it. But like things like that, like you see it with a fresh set of eyes. I look up the venues prior anyway so I have like a good sense of what I’m gonna be dealing with. But like I love shooting at a venue for the first time. It’s all new. It’s exciting. Oh well here let’s check this out. And to me it kind of adds more creativity to it.

Jen: Are there some repeat venues that are a little more fun than others? I would imagine Terrain has enough little different variety spots and they’re always changing their displays, so that makes it slightly less boring.

Lauryn: Yeah. Yes. Terrain is amazing. I’ve actually only shot I think two weddings there but it’s called Pocono Palms and I just, I love that venue. I just think it’s so cool. So there’s like certain ones that just kind of lean into that like dark moody vibe. And I’m eating it up.

Jen: I’d love to know what doesn’t make it to the list, but something you do every day or every week or whatever to keep yourself supported and sane and balanced.

Lauryn: Coffee.

Jen: That was such a…

Lauryn: Coffee. Gimme all the coffee in the world. I drink an absurd amount. I will take breaks. I think that it’s essential ’cause if I, I realize I’ve been doing this so long I realize that if I’m editing hour after hour after hour after hour like it almost becomes like I’m too into it. And then like the next day I’ll come back and I’ll be like oh my God these are too yellow or these are too blah blah blah. So like I almost am hurting myself by not giving myself a break to literally walk away and come back.

Jen: You don’t have that much mom related stuff on all of your lists. How are you managing all your mom admin?

Lauryn: All the mom stuff goes on the Google calendar. So it’s like…

Jen: Oh, okay.

Lauryn: Like tomorrow is wear weird sock day which it literally is. And then I get my alarm for make sure they wear weird socks.

Jen: What a good day.

Lauryn: Yeah so that is basically my method. All mom related activities go on the Google calendar. So my Google Calendar is like pretty much my life. If it’s not on there I will forget about it.

Jen: And then if you are really forgetting about it, then it turns into a post-it or an alarm.

Lauryn: I have multiple backups. I know myself.

Jen: Very wise.

Lauryn: I’m a mess. I was like I don’t know Jen I’m a hot mess over here.

Jen: I love it. No, again, I’m very excited for you to take my five minute quiz, because you are like a hundred percent by definition this one archetype, and not at all a hot mess. When I first had the idea for this podcast, I was really thinking like, oh, I wanna like learn stuff so I can steal systems from people and level up. But honestly, after maybe 20 interviews now, it’s like almost the opposite of just, it feels like it’s become more of like a self-love podcast and like that’s kind of the experience, learning that everybody has such different systems and that different things work for different people, and there’s no one right way to do things, and that whatever the way you do things is like beautiful and amazing and yeah, there’s just so much acceptance.

Lauryn: Exactly. Whatever works for everybody right?

Jen: Yeah. All right. Final question. If you could see anybody’s to do list, whether that be a specific person or a job title, whose to-do list would you most like to see?

Lauryn: Taylor Swift.

Jen: Taylor Swift during which phase of her life because, uh, she, she is…

Lauryn: Eras tour.

Jen: Okay. Mid ERAS tour while she’s secretly recording?

Lauryn: Yeah. Like she’s just gotta have an insane to-do list.

Jen: But then what I find so impressive about her is that she, when she’s off, she’s really off and she’s off so much more than like the rest of us. When she’s not on tour, all she’s doing is like baking bread and sewing handbags, and that’s amazing.

Lauryn: I know. I make her Christmas cookies and they’re bomb and I love them. And my grandmother was like Taylor Swift isn’t cooking. And I’m like, man she is, I believe it.

Jen: Yeah. On her last interview tour, she brought her sourdough bread to like every single person who interviewed her. It was so cute.

Lauryn: Work life balance.

Jen: Yeah. But if Taylor Swift can do it, I think there’s hope for the rest of us. Is there anything else that you would like to share?

Lauryn: Just that I feel very lucky that I get to have a job that I love and I’m my own boss.

Jen: Aw. Thank you so much for doing this. It was so fun to talk to you and to get to see your beautiful organized chaos.

Lauryn: Oh, beautiful might not be the right word, but thank you.

Jen: I think it is.

Lauryn: It was wonderful chatting with you too.

Jen: Yay.

Lauryn: All right.

Jen: See you again when we move back. If you come hang out with us in Philly and check out your old stomping ground anytime.

Lauryn: I would love to. Twist my arm. All right. Thanks.

Jen: Thank you so much. Have a great night.

Lauryn: You too. Bye.